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Supreme Court to decide whether ISPs must disconnect users accused of piracy

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  • M manomorphos@lemmy.world

    I hope that this doesn't come to the US. Even now, a lot of the available Wifi hotspots are from cable companies (which require their account logins, so they definitely will know who you are).

    Would giving a throwaway VOIP number that's untraceable to someone fool that kind of service, I wonder? Unless caught right away, they would probably have to get their identity on an individual basis.

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    kevincox@lemmy.ml
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    In China there is no such thing as a throwaway number (at least outside of black markets). All numbers require ID to acquire.

    For the US it would be a bit different. VOIP numbers do exist but they are often also blocked by services (this isn't black and white but there are services that will quite accurately map numbers into ranges like home/cell/business/VoIP).

    But of course the assumption would be that if they start requiring phone numbers for WiFi access the logical next step would be to make all numbers traceable to humans.

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    • dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.worldD dulce_3t_decorum_3st@lemmy.world

      You should already be underground

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      frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Instructions unclear, now sitting in basement.

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        darkfuture@lemmy.world
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        Lol.

        Do ISPs like making money?

        Then they shouldn't disconnect users who pirate.

        I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don't do anything though because they like the money I give them.

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        • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip

          Being accused of will lose you access to basic infrastructure? Why not cut electricity too?

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          rozodru@lemmy.world
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          give it a few months, they're working up to it.

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          • L lilililililil@lemmy.world

            That mask almost fell but he’ll make sure it doesn’t slip again

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            sturlabragason@lemmy.world
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            We all wear masks

            *it has come to my attention that my joke was not funny, that is all

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            • M mesamunefire@piefed.social

              This is how you get a new darknet.

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              jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de
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              In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

              VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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              • M masterofn001@lemmy.ca

                More like, if you steal something you are banned from using roads and sidewalks and doors.

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                yggstyle@lemmy.world
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                Gonna be a lot of issues that come from this. Legally speaking. It's already on the books that an IP address doesn't represent a single person... so I'm not terribly clear on how they plan to enforce this even if it were to pass.

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                • I imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works

                  Call me when all these LLM get their internet cut off then.

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                  iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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                  Rich people skirting the law is nothing new.

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                    callatecoyote@lemmy.world
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                    Then pirates will just get smarter. No way for them to see who is watching all of these movies with their VPN and Debrid service.

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                    • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

                      Lol.

                      Do ISPs like making money?

                      Then they shouldn't disconnect users who pirate.

                      I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don't do anything though because they like the money I give them.

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                      alphaomega@lemmy.world
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                      After switching to torbrowser for all my questionable searches and downloads, I no longer get notices from my ISP for like 10 years now

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                        ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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                        Always make sure that QBT uses your VPN's network interface. I got some DMCA emails despite split-tunneling a VPN recently, and I realized it was bound to all interfaces by default - that's no good.

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                        • J jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de

                          In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

                          VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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                          lodemike@lemmy.today
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                          Don't public trackers add random IPs?

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                          • L lodemike@lemmy.today

                            Don't public trackers add random IPs?

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                            jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            They could. The protocol also supports IP spoofing, so doxing could also be a thing.

                            For individuals, it is a time consuming and costly legal process, whether justified or not. For the law firm, it costs a few cents per letter, but they get a few hundred (or more) euros when some sucker pays.

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                            • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

                              Lol.

                              Do ISPs like making money?

                              Then they shouldn't disconnect users who pirate.

                              I get notifications from my ISP all the time. They don't do anything though because they like the money I give them.

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                              bold_atlas@lemmy.world
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                              I've been torrenting movies and software since 2000, no vpn, like I literally have torrented damn near everything I've watched for decades and have only gotten a notice once and it wasn't even me. It was from a temporary roommate who had watched a movie on a pirate streaming site.

                              So that tells you how good and accurate their detection techniques are.

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                              • 0 0x0@lemmy.zip

                                Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
                                Naaaah

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                                ziltoid1991@lemmy.world
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                                Their uncivilized censorship regime vs. our civilized online child protection and anti-terror laws.

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                                • J jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de

                                  In Germany and no doubt some other countries, private law firms can (on behalf of the copyright holders) request people's identity based on residential IP addresses and then send extortionist legal threats. Apparently an IP appearing on a public tracker can be enough to trigger it, without any confirmed data transfer.

                                  VPNs are common and usually sufficient.

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                                  jownz@lemmy.world
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                                  A boy downloaded a movie via torrent without using a VPN.

                                  He died.

                                  Good night! 😴

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                                  • B bitjunkie@lemmy.world

                                    This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago

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                                    ziltoid1991@lemmy.world
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                                    Net neutrality is why your online jokes were censored under Biden

                                    -- John McRacist, Republican congressman, former CFO of Evil Inc., former lawyer of Vile Ltd., member of Christofascism Society and Roman Salutes to Jesus

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                                      mangionedontmiss@lemmy.ca
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                                      ha. all of my traffic is encrypted and routed through at least 3 pirate friendly countries and servers that don't keep logs. good fucking luck inspecting those packets.

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                                      • B bold_atlas@lemmy.world

                                        I've been torrenting movies and software since 2000, no vpn, like I literally have torrented damn near everything I've watched for decades and have only gotten a notice once and it wasn't even me. It was from a temporary roommate who had watched a movie on a pirate streaming site.

                                        So that tells you how good and accurate their detection techniques are.

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                                        robust_mirror@aussie.zone
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                                        Their methods are fine, they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them. The main reasons you wouldn't get notices are getting lucky, not seeding much, not torrenting things that are being monitored, or having an ISP that doesn't care much.

                                        The single notice from the streaming site makes sense, pirate streaming sites are usually honeypots or heavily monitored.

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                                        • R robust_mirror@aussie.zone

                                          Their methods are fine, they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them. The main reasons you wouldn't get notices are getting lucky, not seeding much, not torrenting things that are being monitored, or having an ISP that doesn't care much.

                                          The single notice from the streaming site makes sense, pirate streaming sites are usually honeypots or heavily monitored.

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                                          bold_atlas@lemmy.world
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                                          My routine is always use piratebay, never use a pirate streaming site, no new or big studio releases, no porn, not seeding for long and choosing less active torrents. I can't say much for how effective it is since I've never gotten hit so I can't really experiment (I've had five or six ISPs in two different countries).

                                          they literally just pirate the stuff themselves, see which IPs connect to them, then connect those to an ISP and notify them.

                                          And I don't even understand how this would hold up if it ever went to trial. How can an IP owner "pirate" their own IP? Even when they outsource it to services who do this they're still giving permission for the IP to be distributed.

                                          It's like hiring someone to "steal" your own TV, putting it in a back alley and then accusing whoever takes it of being a thief.

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