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Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging?

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  • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

    Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging? 🤔

    zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @codinghorror I followed them for a while but it got a tiny bit much 🙂

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    • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

      Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging? 🤔

      gregatron5@vmst.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @codinghorror People need to discover “Quiet public”. Post the first post in a thread public, then the rest Quiet Public, and the whole thing is available but only the first goes in people’s timelines.

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      • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

        @codinghorror I followed them for a while but it got a tiny bit much 🙂

        smartmanapps@dotnet.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        @zersiax @codinghorror
        Yeah same. The other annoying thing is when people put the same hashtags in every single post in the thread, instead of just the first/last post, to the degree that I made a meme for it when people do that

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        • gregatron5@vmst.ioG gregatron5@vmst.io

          @codinghorror People need to discover “Quiet public”. Post the first post in a thread public, then the rest Quiet Public, and the whole thing is available but only the first goes in people’s timelines.

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          @gregatron5 @codinghorror people need to post to fedi any way they want.

          The developers of clients need to fix their shit.

          Allow long posts, show them in a sensible way, collapsed, with an unfold button, allow posters to specify a fold mark.
          Allow long threads, show them in a sensible way, collapsed, first post, dots („17 more“), the last two posts.
          Allow any language, autotag in the right language if none is set.

          The UX in Fedi is abysmally bad, and people put the burden on the poster instead of fucking fixing the fucking clients. Even broken Bsky does this better, and that means something.

          This isn’t rocket surgery, it has been; done before, and it is well understood.

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          • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

            Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging? 🤔

            pluralistic@mamot.frP This user is from outside of this forum
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            @codinghorror

            Here is a detailed explanation of how and why I use Mastodon, how to follow me and other thread posters by configuring your own filters, where to get my material on other surfaces or in machine readable form, Etc. if you don't like threads, I encourage you to unfollow me and get my work in some other way. https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/

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            • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

              @codinghorror

              Here is a detailed explanation of how and why I use Mastodon, how to follow me and other thread posters by configuring your own filters, where to get my material on other surfaces or in machine readable form, Etc. if you don't like threads, I encourage you to unfollow me and get my work in some other way. https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/

              codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @pluralistic I don’t want to unfollow you I want to you to perform at maximum book sales potential

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              • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                @pluralistic I don’t want to unfollow you I want to you to perform at maximum book sales potential

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                @pluralistic if you don’t like constructive feedback I encourage you to do as thou wilt, and make it the whole of the law

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                • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                  @pluralistic if you don’t like constructive feedback I encourage you to do as thou wilt, and make it the whole of the law

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                  @codinghorror

                  I love constructive feedback.

                  "Constructive feedback" isn't "I would prefer that you do things in a different way because that is my preference," however.

                  I'm fully aware that other people have preferences that are different from mine.

                  That's why I do 2-3/hours per day of unpaid administrative work to ensure that everything I post is available in other formats (including machine-readable ones) under the most permissive CC license.

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                  • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                    @codinghorror

                    I love constructive feedback.

                    "Constructive feedback" isn't "I would prefer that you do things in a different way because that is my preference," however.

                    I'm fully aware that other people have preferences that are different from mine.

                    That's why I do 2-3/hours per day of unpaid administrative work to ensure that everything I post is available in other formats (including machine-readable ones) under the most permissive CC license.

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                    @codinghorror

                    As I've said here before, I:

                    * post to scratch my itch, and

                    * believe foursquare in your right to both read and post in ways that scratch your itch, and

                    * provide the legal and technological means for you to scratch your itch with my posts, but

                    * I draw the line at not scratching my itch in order to scratch yours.

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                    • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                      @codinghorror

                      As I've said here before, I:

                      * post to scratch my itch, and

                      * believe foursquare in your right to both read and post in ways that scratch your itch, and

                      * provide the legal and technological means for you to scratch your itch with my posts, but

                      * I draw the line at not scratching my itch in order to scratch yours.

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                      @codinghorror

                      If you don't like my feed, but you want to see the things in it that are not threads, why wouldn't you write a bot that ingests my feed, discards the threads, and republishes the rest? The feed is both labeled *and* licensed to permit this.

                      Surely this is as valid a response to "I have different preference from you" as "therefore you should work in a way I prefer, rather than the way you prefer."

                      boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB quaff@thecanadian.socialQ 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

                        Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging? 🤔

                        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        codinghorror@infosec.exchange hey Jeff, to be fair I think pluralistic@mamot.fr has been doing the best with the tooling available at the time.

                        We're at a place now where that isn't the case, and a different software could be used (like a truly federated forum!!) or at minimum just a server that sends more than 500 characters at a time.

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                        • pluralistic@mamot.frP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @julian @codinghorror

                          I explain here why I'm on this particular server:

                          https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/

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                          • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                            @codinghorror

                            If you don't like my feed, but you want to see the things in it that are not threads, why wouldn't you write a bot that ingests my feed, discards the threads, and republishes the rest? The feed is both labeled *and* licensed to permit this.

                            Surely this is as valid a response to "I have different preference from you" as "therefore you should work in a way I prefer, rather than the way you prefer."

                            boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @pluralistic @codinghorror I don't know that this will work for you, Jeff, but I additionally subscribed to @pluralistic.net which only has one post per thread and then added a filter for "Long thread" to my account preferences.

                            So, I get all of the pluralistic interactions and are unique to Mastodon (retoots, replies, etc.) and I also still get notified on his longer form content. Long thread from pluralistic are not seen due to the filter, but the bot posts a link and summary that is seen.

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                            • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                              @julian @codinghorror

                              I explain here why I'm on this particular server:

                              https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/

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                              pluralistic@mamot.fr well that certainly addressed every single point I was going to make.

                              Keep on doing what you're doing 👍

                              P.S. I very much enjoyed your podcast series on CBC!

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                              • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ julian@community.nodebb.org

                                pluralistic@mamot.fr well that certainly addressed every single point I was going to make.

                                Keep on doing what you're doing 👍

                                P.S. I very much enjoyed your podcast series on CBC!

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                                @julian Thank you!

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                                • pluralistic@mamot.frP pluralistic@mamot.fr

                                  @julian Thank you!

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                                  @pluralistic @julian Honestly. You do you. If people don't like it they can unfollow you or read this at your blog right?

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                                  • phillycodehound@indieweb.socialP phillycodehound@indieweb.social

                                    @pluralistic @julian Honestly. You do you. If people don't like it they can unfollow you or read this at your blog right?

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                                    @phillycodehound @julian That's how I see it, yup.

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                                    • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ julian@community.nodebb.org

                                      codinghorror@infosec.exchange hey Jeff, to be fair I think pluralistic@mamot.fr has been doing the best with the tooling available at the time.

                                      We're at a place now where that isn't the case, and a different software could be used (like a truly federated forum!!) or at minimum just a server that sends more than 500 characters at a time.

                                      wjmaggos@liberal.cityW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @julian @codinghorror @pluralistic

                                      can't the object type "article" be used instead of the object type "note"? isn't that what ghost and wordpress are doing to make writing be AP native?

                                      https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#object-types

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                                      • boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io

                                        @pluralistic @codinghorror I don't know that this will work for you, Jeff, but I additionally subscribed to @pluralistic.net which only has one post per thread and then added a filter for "Long thread" to my account preferences.

                                        So, I get all of the pluralistic interactions and are unique to Mastodon (retoots, replies, etc.) and I also still get notified on his longer form content. Long thread from pluralistic are not seen due to the filter, but the bot posts a link and summary that is seen.

                                        jayalane@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @BoydStephenSmithJr @pluralistic @codinghorror @pluralistic.net I subscribe to some arxiv summarizing bots, which have taken the annoyance I used to have of long threads. I don't know if I had to do something, but each post is hidden for me behind a content warning, so I only have to parse it if I decide I have the energy.

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                                        • jayalane@mastodon.onlineJ jayalane@mastodon.online

                                          @BoydStephenSmithJr @pluralistic @codinghorror @pluralistic.net I subscribe to some arxiv summarizing bots, which have taken the annoyance I used to have of long threads. I don't know if I had to do something, but each post is hidden for me behind a content warning, so I only have to parse it if I decide I have the energy.

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                                          @jayalane @BoydStephenSmithJr @codinghorror @pluralistic.net if you click on any post in the thread, and then on the little eye icon, it should put all the posts in order and also unroll them

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