Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging?
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@codinghorror People need to discover “Quiet public”. Post the first post in a thread public, then the rest Quiet Public, and the whole thing is available but only the first goes in people’s timelines.
@gregatron5 @codinghorror people need to post to fedi any way they want.
The developers of clients need to fix their shit.
Allow long posts, show them in a sensible way, collapsed, with an unfold button, allow posters to specify a fold mark.
Allow long threads, show them in a sensible way, collapsed, first post, dots („17 more“), the last two posts.
Allow any language, autotag in the right language if none is set.The UX in Fedi is abysmally bad, and people put the burden on the poster instead of fucking fixing the fucking clients. Even broken Bsky does this better, and that means something.
This isn’t rocket surgery, it has been; done before, and it is well understood.
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Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging?
Here is a detailed explanation of how and why I use Mastodon, how to follow me and other thread posters by configuring your own filters, where to get my material on other surfaces or in machine readable form, Etc. if you don't like threads, I encourage you to unfollow me and get my work in some other way. https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/
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Here is a detailed explanation of how and why I use Mastodon, how to follow me and other thread posters by configuring your own filters, where to get my material on other surfaces or in machine readable form, Etc. if you don't like threads, I encourage you to unfollow me and get my work in some other way. https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/
@pluralistic I don’t want to unfollow you I want to you to perform at maximum book sales potential
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@pluralistic I don’t want to unfollow you I want to you to perform at maximum book sales potential
@pluralistic if you don’t like constructive feedback I encourage you to do as thou wilt, and make it the whole of the law
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@pluralistic if you don’t like constructive feedback I encourage you to do as thou wilt, and make it the whole of the law
I love constructive feedback.
"Constructive feedback" isn't "I would prefer that you do things in a different way because that is my preference," however.
I'm fully aware that other people have preferences that are different from mine.
That's why I do 2-3/hours per day of unpaid administrative work to ensure that everything I post is available in other formats (including machine-readable ones) under the most permissive CC license.
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I love constructive feedback.
"Constructive feedback" isn't "I would prefer that you do things in a different way because that is my preference," however.
I'm fully aware that other people have preferences that are different from mine.
That's why I do 2-3/hours per day of unpaid administrative work to ensure that everything I post is available in other formats (including machine-readable ones) under the most permissive CC license.
As I've said here before, I:
* post to scratch my itch, and
* believe foursquare in your right to both read and post in ways that scratch your itch, and
* provide the legal and technological means for you to scratch your itch with my posts, but
* I draw the line at not scratching my itch in order to scratch yours.
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As I've said here before, I:
* post to scratch my itch, and
* believe foursquare in your right to both read and post in ways that scratch your itch, and
* provide the legal and technological means for you to scratch your itch with my posts, but
* I draw the line at not scratching my itch in order to scratch yours.
If you don't like my feed, but you want to see the things in it that are not threads, why wouldn't you write a bot that ingests my feed, discards the threads, and republishes the rest? The feed is both labeled *and* licensed to permit this.
Surely this is as valid a response to "I have different preference from you" as "therefore you should work in a way I prefer, rather than the way you prefer."
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Look, Cory, I love you man, but have you considered blogging?
codinghorror@infosec.exchange hey Jeff, to be fair I think pluralistic@mamot.fr has been doing the best with the tooling available at the time.
We're at a place now where that isn't the case, and a different software could be used (like a truly federated forum!!) or at minimum just a server that sends more than 500 characters at a time.
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I explain here why I'm on this particular server:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/
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If you don't like my feed, but you want to see the things in it that are not threads, why wouldn't you write a bot that ingests my feed, discards the threads, and republishes the rest? The feed is both labeled *and* licensed to permit this.
Surely this is as valid a response to "I have different preference from you" as "therefore you should work in a way I prefer, rather than the way you prefer."
@pluralistic @codinghorror I don't know that this will work for you, Jeff, but I additionally subscribed to @pluralistic.net which only has one post per thread and then added a filter for "Long thread" to my account preferences.
So, I get all of the pluralistic interactions and are unique to Mastodon (retoots, replies, etc.) and I also still get notified on his longer form content. Long thread from pluralistic are not seen due to the filter, but the bot posts a link and summary that is seen.
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I explain here why I'm on this particular server:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/04/16/how-to-make-the-least-worst-mastodon-threads/
pluralistic@mamot.fr well that certainly addressed every single point I was going to make.
Keep on doing what you're doing
P.S. I very much enjoyed your podcast series on CBC!
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pluralistic@mamot.fr well that certainly addressed every single point I was going to make.
Keep on doing what you're doing
P.S. I very much enjoyed your podcast series on CBC!
@julian Thank you!
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@julian Thank you!
@pluralistic @julian Honestly. You do you. If people don't like it they can unfollow you or read this at your blog right?
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@pluralistic @julian Honestly. You do you. If people don't like it they can unfollow you or read this at your blog right?
@phillycodehound @julian That's how I see it, yup.
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codinghorror@infosec.exchange hey Jeff, to be fair I think pluralistic@mamot.fr has been doing the best with the tooling available at the time.
We're at a place now where that isn't the case, and a different software could be used (like a truly federated forum!!) or at minimum just a server that sends more than 500 characters at a time.
@julian @codinghorror @pluralistic
can't the object type "article" be used instead of the object type "note"? isn't that what ghost and wordpress are doing to make writing be AP native?
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#object-types
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@pluralistic @codinghorror I don't know that this will work for you, Jeff, but I additionally subscribed to @pluralistic.net which only has one post per thread and then added a filter for "Long thread" to my account preferences.
So, I get all of the pluralistic interactions and are unique to Mastodon (retoots, replies, etc.) and I also still get notified on his longer form content. Long thread from pluralistic are not seen due to the filter, but the bot posts a link and summary that is seen.
@BoydStephenSmithJr @pluralistic @codinghorror @pluralistic.net I subscribe to some arxiv summarizing bots, which have taken the annoyance I used to have of long threads. I don't know if I had to do something, but each post is hidden for me behind a content warning, so I only have to parse it if I decide I have the energy.
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@BoydStephenSmithJr @pluralistic @codinghorror @pluralistic.net I subscribe to some arxiv summarizing bots, which have taken the annoyance I used to have of long threads. I don't know if I had to do something, but each post is hidden for me behind a content warning, so I only have to parse it if I decide I have the energy.
@jayalane @BoydStephenSmithJr @codinghorror @pluralistic.net if you click on any post in the thread, and then on the little eye icon, it should put all the posts in order and also unroll them
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@pluralistic @julian Honestly. You do you. If people don't like it they can unfollow you or read this at your blog right?
@phillycodehound @pluralistic @julian I created a list called Cory with only 1 member. Keeps it out of my Home timeline.
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If you don't like my feed, but you want to see the things in it that are not threads, why wouldn't you write a bot that ingests my feed, discards the threads, and republishes the rest? The feed is both labeled *and* licensed to permit this.
Surely this is as valid a response to "I have different preference from you" as "therefore you should work in a way I prefer, rather than the way you prefer."
@pluralistic @codinghorror this is indeed a hilariously valid response. But also, I have come to really appreciate the CW labels you've added for your long threads.
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@julian @codinghorror @pluralistic
can't the object type "article" be used instead of the object type "note"? isn't that what ghost and wordpress are doing to make writing be AP native?
https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#object-types
wjmaggos@liberal.city yes that's exactly what I was alluding to. A bunch of talented developers (and me too, tangentially) have been working directly with Evan P. and the Mastodon team to improve handling of long form text.
Mamot.fr does not support that kind of article composition yet, but if they're reasonably up to date they will support other softwares publishing them.
It will even hide long form content behind an expando button, so I think it checks off all of pluralistic@mamot.fr's boxes. That said, if he's happy with the flow who am I to tell him to change?
