Supreme Court to decide whether ISPs must disconnect users accused of piracy
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I don't think your explanation of why it seems to work is correct.
I seems to work (works in a limited way, even), because any remote machines that your bittorrent client connected to during downloading are temporarilly recorded on the Mullvad router on the other side of your VPN doing NAT translation as associated with your machine, so when those remote machines connect to that router to reach your machine, it knows from that recorded association that those connections should be forwarded to your machine.
This is quite independent of people on the other side using port-forwarding or not.
Port-forwarding on the other hand is a static association between a port in that router and your machine, so that anything hitting that specific port of the router gets forwarded the port in your machine you specified (hence the name "port" "forwarding"). With port-forwarding there is no need for there having been an earlier connection from your machine to that remote machine to allow "call back".
This is why at the end of downloading a torrent behind a Mullvad VPN will keep on uploading but if one restarts a torrent which was stopped hours or days ago (i.e. purelly seeds), it never uploads anything to anybody - in the first case that NAT translation router associated all machines your client connected to during download to your machine, so when they connect back to download stuff from you it correctly forwards those connections to your machine, but in the second case it's just getting connections from unknown remote machines hitting one of its ports and in the absence of a "port-forwarding" static rule or a record of your machine having connected to those remote machines, it doesn't know which of the machines behind it is the one that should receive those connection so nothing gets forwarded.
So it's perfectly possible to share back when behind a Mullvad VPN but you have to leave the torrent client keep on seeding immediatly after downloading and it will only ever upload to machines which were in the swarm when the client was downloading (they need not have been clients it downloaded from, merelly clients it connected to, for example to check their availability of blocks to download, which give how bittorrent works normally means pretty much the whole swarm)
It is however not at all possible to just start seeding a torrent previously downloaded unless the download wasn't that long ago (how long is "too long" depends on how long the NAT Translation Router of Mullvad keeps those recorded associations I mentioned above, since those things are temporary and get automatically cleaned if not used),
Ok so now I'm confused entirely. Does that mean leeching I don't need to do a port forward, but seeding I do?
Which means if I want to leech to get the file then seed when I'm not heavily using my network I'm sort of out of luck?
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dint they just rule AI can legally scrape/books, but not for people who are pirating directly.
The US is such a silly place. Everything is so wrong.
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or even water
We never stopped the “lol treaties with Native American tribes don’t count” bullshit.
to be fair the treaty never specified anything about water, and the Navajo nations should have had better lawyers or better guerilla warfare tactics if they wanted more negotiating power.
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Inb4 palantir cuts off your electric and water because you had 15% eye distraction during the mandatory 3hr nightly fox news viewing.
bottle water companies would love this, as would the oil giants
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I’m not a United Statesian so I have no clue anymore how it works there, but other places have been making the case that the Internet is an essential service and that access to it is a basic right. So to leapfrog off your question, is that like a poor person stealing a loaf of bread being cut off from food because they didn’t food responsibly enough?
didn't many European countries remove People's hand for theft a few centuries ago?
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lol, they'll have no customers! ISPs used to send 'warning' letters to customers in England but that's all.
Same in the US.
I got one once from something I know for sure I didn't download. I always assumed it was a friend of mine staying with us that was torrenting "Boss's Daughter Big Booty XXX" or whatever it was, but I never really wanted to ask.
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Ok so now I'm confused entirely. Does that mean leeching I don't need to do a port forward, but seeding I do?
Which means if I want to leech to get the file then seed when I'm not heavily using my network I'm sort of out of luck?
If you're purelly seeding (as in starting to seed a torrent from scratch never having downloaded it from the bittorrent client you're using or having done it a long time ago - days, weeks or longer), without port-forwarding it will simply not work and nobody can connect to your machine and downloade anything for that torrent because all those remote machines that are trying to connect to your client have no association with your machine on the Mullvad Router doing NAT translation.
If you're downloading a torrent and then leave it seeding for a while after the download phase is over, then it will usually work fine because the Mullvad Router doing NAT Translation still remembers the various remote machines that your machine connected to in the swarm for that torrent during the download stage, hence when those remote machines connect back trying to themselves download stuff from yours, it will know that's related your machine and thus accept those remote connection and forward them to your machine.
In practice this means that it if you leave your torrents seeding AFTER DOWNLOADING is over, usually (but not always as for torrents with very few peers the swarm is either too small or changes too fast) you can upload more than you downloaded, hence you're not leeching.
So if you use Mullvad and don't want to be a leecher, always leave your torrents active and uploading after you've downloaded them.
Personally I have mine set to 1.5 upload to download ratio and only seldom does it fail to reach it.
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dint they just rule AI can legally scrape/books, but not for people who are pirating directly.
IIRC the judge said they could use the data for training, but specifically added that piracy is still piracy and he didn’t rule on that.
So Disney can just sue Meta for one trillion
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If it's upheld, that's the precursor to full-blown info blackouts, just cut off internet to anyone 'accused' of wrongspeak against the powers that be, which is basically everyone.
This also sounds like SOPA reborn.
Oh, so like they do in the uncivilized middle-east?
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I love Mullvad and used them for years, but without port forwarding, they're not the service you want for torrenting. Some alternatives like AirVPN or ProtonVPN are better suited for that stuff.
Before the haters jump in and tell me "it works fine fer me!" it's only working because the user on the other end, like myself, have port forwarding set up. Since you don't have it, you'll never connect to anyone else like yourself nor will they be able to connect to you.
Of course there are alternatives like streaming and Usenet but there are tradeoffs no matter what you pick.
Best alternative is a seedbox. Preferably in the Netherlands.
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"the internet" is a necessity and requirement to function in society. You can't be denied access to it anymore, it would be disproportionate.
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And OpenAI of course.
But it's not piracy if you use it for an LLM, right‽
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4G piracy hub go brrrrr? Go ahead, disconnect me. I will get another SIM and resume piracy.
Several countries require proof of ID to purchase a SIM card.
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In the beginning we used to exchange cassettes. You would have a boombox with two cassettes. You would play one while you recorded on the other. Then you gave the cassette back to your friend. Next was the VCR with the big ass cassettes.
Then you would do the same with floppies, then zip disks. Then one day CD recording was a thing, then DVDs. Then thumb drives and now portable HDDs. Basically the cheapest form or recording is always the most popular way for people to share stuff.
The only ones who don't want us to share are those who want to make millions by never innovating.
I couldn't afford one of those fancy 2-cassette boomboxes, so I had my friend bring his tape deck and we put them real close together in the quietest room of the house and recorded that way. Having several siblings meant that there were no quiet places, so we used the empty garage when my parents were at work. The audio was autrocious, tons of echo and static, but I played that tape thin until it snapped.
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Guess it's time to go underground, sigh.
You should already be underground
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Best alternative is a seedbox. Preferably in the Netherlands.
I keep my seedbox in the planter at the coffee shop down the road with free WiFi.
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Several countries require proof of ID to purchase a SIM card.
Alas, true for mine
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But it's not piracy if you use it for an LLM, right‽
Yes we are all training our LLMs. Perfectly legal.
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Don't give them ideas. Next they'll cut the blood stream to your brain.
Supreme Court: "One of us! One of us!"
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to be fair the treaty never specified anything about water, and the Navajo nations should have had better lawyers or better guerilla warfare tactics if they wanted more negotiating power.
