Lemmy as a discussion forum
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Are there communities, free software/open source or otherwise, using Lemmy as their forum software?
Nowadays, many use Discourse, some are on Zulip, and I just don't care about the Discord ones. Would Lenmy not fit the same purposes? It is federated and easier to participate in, like mailing lists - no need to sign up per forum. Matrix is too, but it doesn't seem to be made for long-form writing.
I believe Discourse was designed based on experience with community dynamics, and Zulip is well-designed too. Would something with federated participation like Lemmy not work as well?
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Are there communities, free software/open source or otherwise, using Lemmy as their forum software?
Nowadays, many use Discourse, some are on Zulip, and I just don't care about the Discord ones. Would Lenmy not fit the same purposes? It is federated and easier to participate in, like mailing lists - no need to sign up per forum. Matrix is too, but it doesn't seem to be made for long-form writing.
I believe Discourse was designed based on experience with community dynamics, and Zulip is well-designed too. Would something with federated participation like Lemmy not work as well?
I'm not aware of any such communities that run their forum on Lemmy.
I think it could fit, although Lemmy's design as a link aggregation site gives it some rough edges for the purpose we're discussing. For example, the search functions are a bit awkward to use, there is no support for subtopics, and file upload support is (from what I've seen) very limited.
On the other hand, Lemmy's use of Markdown makes it more comfortable for text formatting than BBCode, which is the HTML-like markup used on many forums.
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Are there communities, free software/open source or otherwise, using Lemmy as their forum software?
Nowadays, many use Discourse, some are on Zulip, and I just don't care about the Discord ones. Would Lenmy not fit the same purposes? It is federated and easier to participate in, like mailing lists - no need to sign up per forum. Matrix is too, but it doesn't seem to be made for long-form writing.
I believe Discourse was designed based on experience with community dynamics, and Zulip is well-designed too. Would something with federated participation like Lemmy not work as well?
I'm open to the idea of using Lemmy for discussions, and feature requests, for my open-source software projects. My projects are on a self-hosted Forgejo instance and Forgejo currently lacks a discussion feature. But, unfortunately, none of my projects are popular enough to deserve a discussion board.
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I'm not aware of any such communities that run their forum on Lemmy.
I think it could fit, although Lemmy's design as a link aggregation site gives it some rough edges for the purpose we're discussing. For example, the search functions are a bit awkward to use, there is no support for subtopics, and file upload support is (from what I've seen) very limited.
On the other hand, Lemmy's use of Markdown makes it more comfortable for text formatting than BBCode, which is the HTML-like markup used on many forums.
In what way is the search function in Lemmy awkward to use, is there anything specific that can be fixed? You are right about subtopics, and also Lemmy normally doesnt show discussions organized by topic on the frontpage. That can be changed though with different frontends like lemmyBB.
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I'm open to the idea of using Lemmy for discussions, and feature requests, for my open-source software projects. My projects are on a self-hosted Forgejo instance and Forgejo currently lacks a discussion feature. But, unfortunately, none of my projects are popular enough to deserve a discussion board.
You can setup a Lemmy community and link it in all your project repos. Sooner or later people will show up.
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In what way is the search function in Lemmy awkward to use, is there anything specific that can be fixed? You are right about subtopics, and also Lemmy normally doesnt show discussions organized by topic on the frontpage. That can be changed though with different frontends like lemmyBB.
In what way is the search function in Lemmy awkward to use,
Generally, I find that it requires too many clicks.
To search for things I'm usually interested in, I have to click a link to reach the search page, wait for the page to load, click a drop-down box, select and click a target type from the list (e.g. "Posts"), click a scope (usually "Subscribed"), click another drop-down box, select and and click a date range from the list, and then enter my search. That's a lot of steps.
(I could enter my search before selecting all those other things, of course, but it wouldn't reduce the number of steps, and it would put extra load on the instance host by triggering multiple extra searches before the one that matters to me.)
Also, in certain cases like searching for a community by ID, there's a weird glitch where the search yields no results at first, but clicking the Search button again gets the expected results.
is there anything specific that can be fixed?
Yes, I think the user friction could be improved in several ways.
I haven't made a list of potential search improvements, but just off the top of my head, it would be convenient to have a simple search box in each community's sidebar. Reddit had this back when I was using it, and it made checking for duplicates before submitting an article much more convenient than it is here.
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It's also inconvenient that the Community search field displays them in
example.org/communityformat, rather than the normal!community@example.orgformat, and fails to recognize input in the latter format. The slash format might be a little easier to type for a minority of people who expect it, but it's surprising by being unfamiliar to everyone else, confusing by introducing a second format for community links, and counterproductive by defeating copy/paste of a community link from someplace else.My suggestion for this would be to standardize on
!community@example.orgformat, and allow omitting the!on input. It's a dedicated input field just for community searches, after all, so the software shouldn't need users to lead with a bang in order to know we're searching for a community. Side benefit: Since this format places the community name before the domain, users could simply start typing the community name without having to remember what domain hosts it, and they would see useful autocomplete suggestions right away.EDIT 1:
Outside of search, the first thing I would suggest is making Lemmy readable without JavaScript. This would make it usable by people who disable scripts for security and privacy reasons*, and allow more search engines to index it, both of which would expand Lemmy's reach and utility. And, since we're talking about Lemmy as forum software for communities beyond the fediverse, this change would avoid imposing new requirements and vulnerabilities on communities whose web sites do not currently require JavaScript.
*Note that this matters not only for someone's home instance, which might be whitelisted for scripts, but also when following links to other instances, which is pretty common in my experience.
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In what way is the search function in Lemmy awkward to use,
Generally, I find that it requires too many clicks.
To search for things I'm usually interested in, I have to click a link to reach the search page, wait for the page to load, click a drop-down box, select and click a target type from the list (e.g. "Posts"), click a scope (usually "Subscribed"), click another drop-down box, select and and click a date range from the list, and then enter my search. That's a lot of steps.
(I could enter my search before selecting all those other things, of course, but it wouldn't reduce the number of steps, and it would put extra load on the instance host by triggering multiple extra searches before the one that matters to me.)
Also, in certain cases like searching for a community by ID, there's a weird glitch where the search yields no results at first, but clicking the Search button again gets the expected results.
is there anything specific that can be fixed?
Yes, I think the user friction could be improved in several ways.
I haven't made a list of potential search improvements, but just off the top of my head, it would be convenient to have a simple search box in each community's sidebar. Reddit had this back when I was using it, and it made checking for duplicates before submitting an article much more convenient than it is here.
EDIT 2:
It's also inconvenient that the Community search field displays them in
example.org/communityformat, rather than the normal!community@example.orgformat, and fails to recognize input in the latter format. The slash format might be a little easier to type for a minority of people who expect it, but it's surprising by being unfamiliar to everyone else, confusing by introducing a second format for community links, and counterproductive by defeating copy/paste of a community link from someplace else.My suggestion for this would be to standardize on
!community@example.orgformat, and allow omitting the!on input. It's a dedicated input field just for community searches, after all, so the software shouldn't need users to lead with a bang in order to know we're searching for a community. Side benefit: Since this format places the community name before the domain, users could simply start typing the community name without having to remember what domain hosts it, and they would see useful autocomplete suggestions right away.EDIT 1:
Outside of search, the first thing I would suggest is making Lemmy readable without JavaScript. This would make it usable by people who disable scripts for security and privacy reasons*, and allow more search engines to index it, both of which would expand Lemmy's reach and utility. And, since we're talking about Lemmy as forum software for communities beyond the fediverse, this change would avoid imposing new requirements and vulnerabilities on communities whose web sites do not currently require JavaScript.
*Note that this matters not only for someone's home instance, which might be whitelisted for scripts, but also when following links to other instances, which is pretty common in my experience.
Thanks this is very useful feedback. Especially the search box in community sidebar would be very useful and easy to add. Formatting for community ids should also be easy to improve. A bit later when I have time I will implement these things, and then make a post in the Help Design Lemmy Series regarding search.
By the way basic reading is working for me in Tor browser with JS disabled. Though buttons like switching Local/All, sorting and of course forms like register, login and search are not supported. We could use contributors to help fix these things.
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Thanks this is very useful feedback. Especially the search box in community sidebar would be very useful and easy to add. Formatting for community ids should also be easy to improve. A bit later when I have time I will implement these things, and then make a post in the Help Design Lemmy Series regarding search.
By the way basic reading is working for me in Tor browser with JS disabled. Though buttons like switching Local/All, sorting and of course forms like register, login and search are not supported. We could use contributors to help fix these things.
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Thank you!
