Actually right leaning communities?

[lv_insane_vl@lemmy.world]

Hey guys one of the things I miss about reddit is communities like r/Conservative or r/conspiracy, not because I agree with really anything they say there, but because it's a challenge for me.

It's really easy to say "no you're dumb and wrong", but I like going down rabbit holes so I will take the bat shit insane stuff they say and find actual sources to refute them. I know it won't actually change any minds but it's fun for me.

I know theres @conservative@lemm.ee but that is basically just non-conservatives making fun of conservatives. And I have not been able to find any good conspiracy theory communities on Lemmy at all.

Any advice?

[hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org]

i'm inclined to believe the average lemmy user is much less likely to fall for those stuff tbh.

[argumentativemonotheist@lemmy.world]

I might be able to show you, but what do you mean by conservative?

[j4k3@lemmy.world]

They have all been chased off or banned mostly in response to and protection of this refuge for diversity.

[taiyang@lemmy.world]

There's probably some, but keep in mind that your instance has to be federated with them and lemmy.world generally defederates a lot of the more extreme instances (plus a few benign but potentially illegal instances, since the admins don't want legal trouble.)

That said, Lemmy historically is rather extreme "left" (if you can call it that lol) so much so that the .ml of lemmy.ml stands for Marxist-Leninst. That starting point kinda makes the rest of us the conservatives of the community.

If you want to feel challenged, look into who we defederate from. Hexbear, lemmygrad, beehaw, etc. I'm sure those rabbit holes will be new to you, although heaven help you lol

[crawancon@lemm.ee]

isn't that shit site that used to be shitty Twitter, now just a right sided echo chamber for wannabe alphas?

you could find them there or that other unspeakablly dim t RU th dot social

[dropthepot@lemy.lol]

Ha, good luck. They don't care about facts. There's some 2 dozen accounts run by maybe 2 or 3 people tops and they're not really accepting outside input.

[kiwitb@lemmy.world]

I must admit I do miss r/conspiracy, the stupidity there was something to behold.

[underpantsweevil@lemmy.world]

That starting point kinda makes the rest of us the conservatives of the community.

It makes the rest of us the liberals, certainly. But a lot of the turf battles between .world and .ml tend to be on US political orthodoxy running up against any other country's reported histories. People getting sucked back into the argument over whether the Hungarian Revolt of 1956 was worth defending, for instance, is the baseline for what defines a "Tankie" (evil Khruschevist authoritarian villains) versus "A rational centrist" (not all CIA-backed color revolutions are bad, people!)

So it's less a question of right versus left and more a question of nationalism versus internationalism.

If you want to feel challenged, look into who we defederate from.

One of the benefits of .world is that admins generally don't bother outright banning anyone for their political views, even when they're taken as "extreme". You can head over to these other sites, but don't expect to post very long before you're given the boot.

Admittedly, Reddit's political subs were much the same. Easiest thing in the world is to say something on a political sub of any flavor that will get you banned, whether its /r/progressive or /r/libertarian. If that's the kind of sub someone is looking for...

But I don't really see them as challenging so much as insular. Structurally closed communities where appealing to the whims of the moderators is more important than any actual ideological tenant.

[can@sh.itjust.works]

There were some, but as others have said, they aren't popular around here. There was one instance but I think they moved to nostr?

[anotherandrew@mbin.mixdown.ca]

Not OP, but interested in right-leaning communities that aren't pants-on-head insane, just like I am interested in left-leaning communities with a similar constraint. /r/conservative generally isn't bad (I find they tend to be a LOT more level headed than /r/politics, for example) but things like /r/the_donald or whatever it was called is way too out there for my tastes.

[argumentativemonotheist@lemmy.world]

But what do you mean by "conservative"?! White nationalist? Pro capitalist? Neoliberal?

[anotherandrew@mbin.mixdown.ca]

None of the above really; I'd consider those more far-right and not at all interested in. I'm talking about people aligned with ideas like smaller government, government accountability (particularly with respect to spending), the combination of personal responsibility and freedoms, etc.

[lv_insane_vl@lemmy.world]

Like I said, I miss r/Conservative and r/conspiracy the most from reddit

[argumentativemonotheist@lemmy.world]

Maybe I'll find us a conspiracy little e-hole, I miss it too. 🥲

[lv_insane_vl@lemmy.world]

Yeah I'm aware, it's more of an exercise in research for me. They send me down some crazy rabbit holes and it's just super interesting a lot of the time.

[dropthepot@lemy.lol]

The only thing I find them useful for is testing my patience.

[sanctus@lemmy.world]

Lemmy.usatoday or whatever is a conservative instance

[lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml]

Conservative politics hasn't meant any of that for a very long time. I think you need to find a new term to use if you want to be able to not have to explain this every time you ask for conservative communities to hang around in.

Also, none of that is necessarily right leaning (anarchy covers very similar ground, but obviously for extremely different reasons), so it doesn't entirely answer the question of what kind of right leaning you are looking for.

[haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com]

Lemmy is the tolerance paradox in action.

If you want societaly disenfranchised people to have a voice, you need to silence those who can use their voice to silence them.

You can also use the nazi bar story to explain why there are no conservatives on lemmy. I know not all conservatives are nazis but there you have the bad apples phenomenon to counter. Just a little mysoginism, sexism, racism, is already too much.