Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
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Good points, and want to add, as credit to julian , what he's building is complex.
Not many developers could do it.
eeeee Absolutely, and julian has my deepest respect for that. Like I mentioned, the UI for inter-platform interactions is definitely a really tricky problem to solve in an intuitive way, and I don't think any Fediverse platform has managed it yet. (I'm very interested in this because I'm starting to consider similar issues as they relate to the Fediverse implementation in Forgejo.)
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
julian sorry to multi-post but I forgot to say: although I can find your post from my Mastodon account and reply to it, I still haven't worked out how I would do the reverse from here. In fact I'm not sure if I can follow a Mastodon account (or perhaps more usefully, a Discourse or Lemmy topic or even a topic or account on a different NodeBB instance) from a NodeBB account at all, is that possible yet?
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
caesar the Discourse link you posted raises another issue.
Its a similar thread to this one, but it has additional posters, and any edits made in my posts arent reflected.
So these conversations arent fully federated when there are some posts in that thread missing from this one.
Out of interest Omega, did you start your post on Discourse or on this site? -
I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
As an example as the disconnect between the thread on Nodebb and Discourse, bumblefudge@socialhub.activitypub.rocks 's post is missing from nodebb sites thread.
And conversley some of Ceasars posts are in this thread but not that one.
Isnt the goal to duplicate all posts in all places so they stay in sync? -
As an example as the disconnect between the thread on Nodebb and Discourse, bumblefudge@socialhub.activitypub.rocks 's post is missing from nodebb sites thread.
And conversley some of Ceasars posts are in this thread but not that one.
Isnt the goal to duplicate all posts in all places so they stay in sync?@eeeee The lack of complete federation is another very good (and very hard to solve) point that makes federation less-than-intuitive. From my Mastodon instance the situation is worse, none of @bumblefudge 's posts nor any others from SocialHub appear in the thread. (See https://indieweb.social/@julian@community.nodebb.org/112972609579702339)
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@eeeee The lack of complete federation is another very good (and very hard to solve) point that makes federation less-than-intuitive. From my Mastodon instance the situation is worse, none of @bumblefudge 's posts nor any others from SocialHub appear in the thread. (See https://indieweb.social/@julian@community.nodebb.org/112972609579702339)
I suspect most of the federation problems mentioned in the last few posts are the "fault" of Discourse – BrowserPub fails to find anything at https://browser.pub/https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/explaining-the-fediverse-is-a-hard-problem/4462/4 – but in the end the user doesn't care whose fault it is when something doesn't work, they just think federation is confusing and broken.
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I suspect most of the federation problems mentioned in the last few posts are the "fault" of Discourse – BrowserPub fails to find anything at https://browser.pub/https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/explaining-the-fediverse-is-a-hard-problem/4462/4 – but in the end the user doesn't care whose fault it is when something doesn't work, they just think federation is confusing and broken.
caesar@indieweb.social the sync issue from Discourse is a little different... That's achieved via a category syncing mechanism that is unique to Discourse and NodeBB, right now that's broken and I have to wait until angus@socialhub.activitypub.rocks comes back to address it.
Same with the links in Discourse being unsearchable. They'll have to fix that.
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caesar@indieweb.social the sync issue from Discourse is a little different... That's achieved via a category syncing mechanism that is unique to Discourse and NodeBB, right now that's broken and I have to wait until angus@socialhub.activitypub.rocks comes back to address it.
Same with the links in Discourse being unsearchable. They'll have to fix that.
caesar@indieweb.social you can load remote content from the fediverse via NodeBB, just enter the permalink into the search bar.
For users, enter the handle in the users page search bar.
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caesar@indieweb.social you can load remote content from the fediverse via NodeBB, just enter the permalink into the search bar.
For users, enter the handle in the users page search bar.
caesar caesar@indieweb.social I've manually pulled in bumblefudge@socialhub.activitypub.rocks and sortekanin@socialhub.activitypub.rocks's posts now.
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caesar the Discourse link you posted raises another issue.
Its a similar thread to this one, but it has additional posters, and any edits made in my posts arent reflected.
So these conversations arent fully federated when there are some posts in that thread missing from this one.
Out of interest Omega, did you start your post on Discourse or on this site?eeeee I am native posting only
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
Going where no fediverse topic has gone before... not!
https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-string-theory-2699363
>String theory is a mathematical theory that tries to explain certain phenomena which is not currently explainable under the standard model of quantum physics.
30 words or less people!
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
Omega, From your descriptive posts I thought you were a writer, but now a Physicist!
Many talents
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Omega, From your descriptive posts I thought you were a writer, but now a Physicist!
Many talentseeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
Personally I think the word Federated is being used as if it was the word disseminated, which to me is more descriptively apt for common understanding.
“your post is disseminated across multiple platforms at once… across the fediverse… and you are like a sun, each post a ray of light that eventually reaches planets... soon disparate planetary religions spring up worshipping your name spanning light years across many galaxies”
Maybe not the last bit
Federated as it is used rather than it’s definition, seems more like a conflation shorthand of federation and dissemination into a single word placeholder, this might be my very personally arcane issue.
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
Here is an edited version of the wiki entry for the fediverse:
>The fediverse is a collection of social networks that can communicate with each other using a common protocol. Users of different websites can send and receive status updates, multimedia files and other data across the network.
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
How about... the fediverse is like what happens when you build a bunch of interstates between big websites
You could get into railroad and telegraph analogies to, draw your frame. It's the quantum location superposition of your post that's kinda the pickle to explain to the average noodle, or is it?
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eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?
omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propagate, until they are observed! Haha
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omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propagate, until they are observed! Haha
eeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!
Plus there is another maybe even better word i.e. federated > disseminated / propagated
I believe propagate/propagation is even more accurate way to describe the adventures of efforts in the fediverse!
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
Imagine a thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in sync -
One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
Imagine a thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in synceeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> a thread with 100 different origin postsDo you mean each post originating first post action and commitment occurred on a different platform while the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms all at the same time?
