So @pixelfed still hasn't fully acknowledged nor fixed the security vulnerability from earlier this year, despite multiple people asking for updates over the past ~6 months.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero and that's kinda the problem isn't it? Doing multiple large things isn't sustainable, and it means that stuff like this drags on. If he wants to focus on loops, great, find someone to lead pixelfed, but trying to be the leader of multiple projects but not actually doing the things a leader should be doing isn't good for the fediverse.
One person alone shouldn't be attempting to build everything for the fediverse, others might build things if they think there's space for them to build, but instead Dan says he's going to do XYZ repeatedly and then fails to deliver.
Focus is a good thing, especially when the complexity we have is involved, and it's not like people haven't been trying to get answers on this. Posting publicly wasn't my first choice months ago.
@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero so who else that has the talent, time, and treasure is going to step up and do it?
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero and that's kinda the problem isn't it? Doing multiple large things isn't sustainable, and it means that stuff like this drags on. If he wants to focus on loops, great, find someone to lead pixelfed, but trying to be the leader of multiple projects but not actually doing the things a leader should be doing isn't good for the fediverse.
One person alone shouldn't be attempting to build everything for the fediverse, others might build things if they think there's space for them to build, but instead Dan says he's going to do XYZ repeatedly and then fails to deliver.
Focus is a good thing, especially when the complexity we have is involved, and it's not like people haven't been trying to get answers on this. Posting publicly wasn't my first choice months ago.
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero trying to do everything often leads to doing all things poorly.
The blossoming fedi software is all ones where the folks are actually focused on just that project, whether that's the mastodon team with mastodon, rimu's team with piefed, julian and nodebb, bonfire and bonfire social.
Meanwhile Dan somehow things he can build a TikTok and a Instagram and a WhatsApp competitor all at once with fairly minimal team — he's the outlier here, and I don't think this behaviour should necessarily be encouraged because it is giving poor results and underdelivering to people.
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@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero so who else that has the talent, time, and treasure is going to step up and do it?
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero plenty of people, there's countless projects across the fedi for all sorts of things, dan doesn't need to be a one man army.
He could, if he wanted to, find a new lead developer for pixelfed if his interests are in loops now.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero trying to do everything often leads to doing all things poorly.
The blossoming fedi software is all ones where the folks are actually focused on just that project, whether that's the mastodon team with mastodon, rimu's team with piefed, julian and nodebb, bonfire and bonfire social.
Meanwhile Dan somehow things he can build a TikTok and a Instagram and a WhatsApp competitor all at once with fairly minimal team — he's the outlier here, and I don't think this behaviour should necessarily be encouraged because it is giving poor results and underdelivering to people.
@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero "he's building things but not at the rate I would approve" is quite the take considering he's currently a one man band and I'm sure Eugen was at some point.
I'm really not subscribing to this as really, the fediverse is in its infancy and this exclusionism is exactly what is inhibiting its growth.
Again, appreciate what you do writ large, but I'm not behind this take.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero plenty of people, there's countless projects across the fedi for all sorts of things, dan doesn't need to be a one man army.
He could, if he wanted to, find a new lead developer for pixelfed if his interests are in loops now.
@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero why would he need a new lead dev if he's perfectly capable of being in that role?
Where are others offering PRs?
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@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero "he's building things but not at the rate I would approve" is quite the take considering he's currently a one man band and I'm sure Eugen was at some point.
I'm really not subscribing to this as really, the fediverse is in its infancy and this exclusionism is exactly what is inhibiting its growth.
Again, appreciate what you do writ large, but I'm not behind this take.
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero yes, Eugen was a one man band at one point, but he focused on one thing instead of trying to do everything. He also accepted help when it was given, he worked with pull requests instead of in isolation.
And it's not that it's a "rate I would approve", it's him saying "yeah, I'm almost done with that" and then crickets for months. Or "yeah, I'm going to build this and write a FEP", and then nothing materialises.
Dan has also alienated a tonne of people who at one point or another wanted to help him.
People rely on Dan's software, and he does a lot of marketing, so people's expectations are set high. If you say you're going to do something, do it, or explain why you're not, with something better than "I'm distracted by my other three projects"
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@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero why would he need a new lead dev if he's perfectly capable of being in that role?
Where are others offering PRs?
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero If he's not actually doing the leading then that's a problem. Where are the people doing PRs? He chased them all off, I can think of at least 3 people that wanted to contribute actively to his projects and he pissed them off by being completely unpredictable to work with.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero yes, Eugen was a one man band at one point, but he focused on one thing instead of trying to do everything. He also accepted help when it was given, he worked with pull requests instead of in isolation.
And it's not that it's a "rate I would approve", it's him saying "yeah, I'm almost done with that" and then crickets for months. Or "yeah, I'm going to build this and write a FEP", and then nothing materialises.
Dan has also alienated a tonne of people who at one point or another wanted to help him.
People rely on Dan's software, and he does a lot of marketing, so people's expectations are set high. If you say you're going to do something, do it, or explain why you're not, with something better than "I'm distracted by my other three projects"
@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero all those words are great, and I align with many of them, but I still haven't seen anyone offer a PR for any of his projects.
Honestly, and I'm sorry to say, this is a step up or shut up situation.
"He created too much too quickly" really isn't aligned with any of the values many of us hold in the hopes of growth of the fediverse.
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@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero all those words are great, and I align with many of them, but I still haven't seen anyone offer a PR for any of his projects.
Honestly, and I'm sorry to say, this is a step up or shut up situation.
"He created too much too quickly" really isn't aligned with any of the values many of us hold in the hopes of growth of the fediverse.
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero he literally chased away all the people who wanted to contribute, like seriously, no other fedi dev had had a letter like this written: https://dansup-open-letter.github.io
Ask dan about how he works sometimes, because last I knew he tended to have thousands of untracked files where he was doing too many changes at once, but not finishing any of them or working in branches such that he could cleanly switch tasks — that's what leads to those massive "do all the things" merges.
If he hadn't chased others away from his projects it'd be a different matter.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero he literally chased away all the people who wanted to contribute, like seriously, no other fedi dev had had a letter like this written: https://dansup-open-letter.github.io
Ask dan about how he works sometimes, because last I knew he tended to have thousands of untracked files where he was doing too many changes at once, but not finishing any of them or working in branches such that he could cleanly switch tasks — that's what leads to those massive "do all the things" merges.
If he hadn't chased others away from his projects it'd be a different matter.
@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero this conversation has progressed to the point where I think Dan is owed an opportunity to weigh in.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero he literally chased away all the people who wanted to contribute, like seriously, no other fedi dev had had a letter like this written: https://dansup-open-letter.github.io
Ask dan about how he works sometimes, because last I knew he tended to have thousands of untracked files where he was doing too many changes at once, but not finishing any of them or working in branches such that he could cleanly switch tasks — that's what leads to those massive "do all the things" merges.
If he hadn't chased others away from his projects it'd be a different matter.
@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero his repeated response to issues raised is "fake news" or "misinformation", when what's being said is easily provable. He is the marker of his current situation, and only he can do the work to rectify it.
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@thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero this conversation has progressed to the point where I think Dan is owed an opportunity to weigh in.
@chad @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero he's been tagged on this entire thread
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@chad @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero he's been tagged on this entire thread
@rey @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero I'm aware. It's also 6am MDT.
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@rey @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero I'm aware. It's also 6am MDT.
@chad @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero this thread started three days ago and he has, apparently, already responded to it
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@chad @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero this thread started three days ago and he has, apparently, already responded to it
@rey @chad @dansup @deadsuperhero yes, and the only response has been an accusation of spread misinformation which was easily disproven
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@rey @chad @dansup @deadsuperhero yes, and the only response has been an accusation of spread misinformation which was easily disproven
@thisismissem @rey @dansup @deadsuperhero I feel that given the overall careful discussion here, an accusation of misinformation is a great departure.
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@chad @dansup @deadsuperhero If he's not actually doing the leading then that's a problem. Where are the people doing PRs? He chased them all off, I can think of at least 3 people that wanted to contribute actively to his projects and he pissed them off by being completely unpredictable to work with.
@thisismissem @chad @dansup @deadsuperhero why do they not create an alternative? This ia suppose to be the power of open source you can fork projects and create new wonderful things
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@thisismissem @chad @dansup @deadsuperhero why do they not create an alternative? This ia suppose to be the power of open source you can fork projects and create new wonderful things
@hiphopheaven @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero there's no one stopping anyone from forking Dan's projects.
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@thisismissem @rey @dansup @deadsuperhero I feel that given the overall careful discussion here, an accusation of misinformation is a great departure.
@chad @rey @dansup @deadsuperhero that was *his* accusation. Not mine. I then spent the time to review the changes, and was fully prepared to update as resolved, only, it wasn't & the changes where thousands of lines of unrelated code. I spent quite some time checking.
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@hiphopheaven @thisismissem @dansup @deadsuperhero there's no one stopping anyone from forking Dan's projects.
@chad @hiphopheaven @dansup @deadsuperhero it's hard when he'll actively fight against you, iirc, he got extremely mad when pixelfed-glitch was started, and threatened a trademark lawsuit. That probably killed that person's energy to work on it.
He also went after the developer of Vernissage a while back too, when they decided to do their own thing away from pixelfed.
Meanwhile he raises 100k for pixelfed, but it seems like all the energy is going into his other projects.
