Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 12:36 last edited byHow about... the fediverse is like what happens when you build a bunch of interstates between big websites
You could get into railroad and telegraph analogies to, draw your frame. It's the quantum location superposition of your post that's kinda the pickle to explain to the average noodle, or is it?
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eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 15:40 last edited byomega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propagate, until they are observed! Haha
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omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propagate, until they are observed! Haha
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 15:42 last edited byeeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!
Plus there is another maybe even better word i.e. federated > disseminated / propagated
I believe propagate/propagation is even more accurate way to describe the adventures of efforts in the fediverse!
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 15:47 last edited byOne thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
Imagine a thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in sync -
One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
Imagine a thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in syncwrote on 9 Sept 2024, 15:52 last edited byeeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> a thread with 100 different origin postsDo you mean each post originating first post action and commitment occurred on a different platform while the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms all at the same time?
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eeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> a thread with 100 different origin postsDo you mean each post originating first post action and commitment occurred on a different platform while the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms all at the same time?
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 16:20 last edited byomega yes, so post 101 could need to go to the previous (up to) 100 servers so those threads are in sync
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omega yes, so post 101 could need to go to the previous (up to) 100 servers so those threads are in sync
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 16:22 last edited byeeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?
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eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 16:35 last edited byomega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
> eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?Two, they talk about up and down spin
Analagous to up and down voting on Nodebb lol -
I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 9 Sept 2024, 16:37 last edited byIncidentally omega, I direct messaged on you here a while ago, did you see it?
It appears our federated convo working better than local one -
Incidentally omega, I direct messaged on you here a while ago, did you see it?
It appears our federated convo working better than local onewrote on 9 Sept 2024, 18:30 last edited by -
I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:24 last edited byjulian as I contributed to this thread also from my mastodon account, should that account (in principle) be getting notified of additional comments on here?
Its currently not, which does negate the observation that data transfer would increase as more people join a topic. However the exponential propagation previously mentioned does not seem to be working - its only on nodebb that this thread is expanding now?Edit: ^might be a Mastondon issue, as the Discourse version is expanding. Its just my mastodon version that isnt.
Edit2; Test to see if edits are updated yet
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julian as I contributed to this thread also from my mastodon account, should that account (in principle) be getting notified of additional comments on here?
Its currently not, which does negate the observation that data transfer would increase as more people join a topic. However the exponential propagation previously mentioned does not seem to be working - its only on nodebb that this thread is expanding now?Edit: ^might be a Mastondon issue, as the Discourse version is expanding. Its just my mastodon version that isnt.
Edit2; Test to see if edits are updated yet
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:39 last edited byeeeee Mastodon doesn't notify you unless you are explicitly mentioned.
In NodeBB when you reply, you subscribe to the topic (unless you opt out or "unwatch" it), but that doesn't happen in Mastodon.
NodeBB could propagate additional replies to Mastodon and other softwares, it doesn't right now.
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:42 last edited byEdits arent reflected still. In theory can AcitivtyPub repost an updated post easily, or does it have no ability to retract a post to resend a corrected one?
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Edits arent reflected still. In theory can AcitivtyPub repost an updated post easily, or does it have no ability to retract a post to resend a corrected one?
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:46 last edited byNodeBB sends the update. Mastodon doesn't accept it for some reason, it's something I've yet to figure out.
Does the update propagate to Discourse?
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I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:48 last edited byYes, the Discorse thread version doesnt accept edit updates either.
I think if the bar is set so that different nodebb sites can fully connect then thats enough, as nobody can control what 3rd parties do -
I had the opportunity to work with the team at OpenBeta on the re-launching of their community forums. They're one of our earliest v4 testers, since they've agreed to have ActivityPub enabled!
(Okay, more realistically I dragged them into it kicking and screaming, but they did provide the opportunity for the forum relaunch, so I'm taking the opportunities as they come!)
During the prep, I discussed some of the well-trodden concept of the fediverse to my co-admin, Ben (bean@community.openbeta.io and also bean@uvix.cc)... stuff I'm sure you've come across:
- Fragmented nature of conversations
- The idea of an instance
- Content discovery with respect to the follow-relationship model
... and wouldn't you know it, it's really hard to discuss these ideas, and Ben is actually fairly well-versed! He ran his own Iceshrimp instance, so all of this wasn't exactly new to him.
Part of it was that I had been steeped in the ActivityPub dev scene for almost a year, so it's hard to step back and explain to
mere mortalslaymennon-developers what exactly all this ActivityPub nonsense is.All I know it gets me thinking that I need to work with andypiper@macaw.social on documentation!
That new NodeBB instance, by the way, is https://community.openbeta.io
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 01:59 last edited byTest1, mentioning a user at a different nodebb server mrcs@isurg.org
Test2 MRCS@isurg.org
Edit: connecting between nodebb instances doesnt seem to be working, which is more concerning.
I tried it both ways, mentions from and to therejulian just to help me test, are usernames case sensitive? I have some capital letters in a username on another nobebb site, do I need to ensure they are in the correct case?
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Test1, mentioning a user at a different nodebb server mrcs@isurg.org
Test2 MRCS@isurg.org
Edit: connecting between nodebb instances doesnt seem to be working, which is more concerning.
I tried it both ways, mentions from and to therejulian just to help me test, are usernames case sensitive? I have some capital letters in a username on another nobebb site, do I need to ensure they are in the correct case?
wrote on 10 Sept 2024, 02:39 last edited byeeeee user slugs are always lower case. mrcs@isurg.org didn't get the notification? That's odd.
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wrote on 13 May 2025, 18:33 last edited by
Should we then not be using the term syndication / network-syndication, or is that already to attached to other existent WWW technologies?
